Curse

art_ · Mar 13, 2006, 02:08 AM // 02:08

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...2&postcount=43

nohooiam · Mar 13, 2006, 03:07 AM // 03:07

I have a better idea

Wipe fame for all those below r9.

For crying out loud, how about wiping all PvE characters and items since people took advantage of farming areas before they were nerfed?

Mar 13, 2006, 03:53 AM // 03:53

There are too many reasons as to why fame should never ever ever be reset, even if the game gets to chapter 20.

The only players that would make the rediculous notion of reseting fame, are those that have no rank and are desparate for a way they think would get them good teams.

Someone stated fame is unfair to new players. Please explain how in the world me showing my expirience in Heros hurts a new player?

People have taken months to reach the fame they have, should we reset everyones PVE characters so that the new players are equal to them as well?

Rediculous notion. Earn your fame like the rest of us did.

TheMosesPHD · Mar 13, 2006, 04:17 AM // 04:17

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Originally Posted by John Bloodstone

Probably going against the grain here, but I personally think that fame should be wiped with the new chapter (and with all new chapters).

How is a new player to the game supposed to stand ANY chance of getting into a group when everyone else is running around with Rank 6+ (likely farmed from IWAY)? Maybe some consider this an important noob filter, but I think it just breeds elitism.

With a fame wipe, everyone would start off at the same level, even if prophecy players would gain fame faster due to previous experience. In order to balance for the 6 month new chapter release, they could just tweak the numbers.

All a moot point due to what the dev's had said, just wanted to supply some brain food

People who joined the game at the beginning shouldn't be penalized to make it "fair" for new players. Fame is a reward for those who have put their time into the game much more than new players have. Anyway, removing fame during factions would cause a few problems:
1. Prolly half of America as well as ppl from other places would get super pissed and not buy Factions.
2. Anyone rank 6+ would spend the rest of eternity complaining about it.
3. Most all rank 9+ would prolly quit the game.
4. Any and all rank 12+ would instantly commit suicide :P

{IceFire} · Mar 13, 2006, 04:25 AM // 04:25

hell, while we're at it why don't we clear all inventories of gold, items and armor!! so that it would make the game "Fair" !!! yeah!!

Phoenix Ex · Mar 13, 2006, 04:29 AM // 04:29

No, fame should not be wiped because some people DID work hard without using any of the farming builds to get their rank.

However....

Supposedly you all agree that rank is to SHOW OFF your hard work and dedication, so...I think they should make it so that rank emoticon won't show in the group forming area. This way you can show off your experience all you want during fight

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I don't see why people would disagree with this...unless if they are the elite ****s that plagues the HA today. Supposedly rank should not be a number that gives advantage to certain people (in that they get group in a fraction of what it takes new players to get into group).

Sekkira · Mar 13, 2006, 04:29 AM // 04:29

Just like the kiddy baseball games where everybody wins because the parents and teachers don't want their children feeling like they're not good enough.

I'm guessing the people who want the wipe were brought up like this.

Phoenix Ex · Mar 13, 2006, 04:38 AM // 04:38

Ya, this "I don't have it, so you don't" and "I have this, you don't so you suck" duo plagues every Online RPG games. Guild Wars managed to solve this somewhat by having items in pve that only have cosmetic improvement over collecter items and droknar's armor. This is why I really dislike the fissure armor whiners since it makes absolutely no difference.

The thing with rank though is that it makes a great difference, to the point that it extremely frustrates the newer player, and that makes the game no fun. No fun, people leaves. That is a bane to many online RPG, where population starts to dwindle rapidly, then the elite ppl complain that there are so few people to play with (pwn and laugh at) and they quit too.

HawkofStorms · Mar 13, 2006, 04:38 AM // 04:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

No, fame should not be wiped because some people DID work hard without using any of the farming builds to get their rank.

However....

Supposedly you all agree that rank is to SHOW OFF your hard work and dedication, so...I think they should make it so that rank emoticon won't show in the group forming area. This way you can show off your experience all you want during fight

.

I don't see why people would disagree with this...unless if they are the elite ****s that plagues the HA today. Supposedly rank should not be a number that gives advantage to certain people (in that they get group in a fraction of what it takes new players to get into group).

Personally, I think that is a GREAT idea. You can still have rank/fame and still show off to your friends, but this way you can't just be an elitest sob.

Kool Pajamas · Mar 13, 2006, 04:48 AM // 04:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

No, fame should not be wiped because some people DID work hard without using any of the farming builds to get their rank.

However....

Supposedly you all agree that rank is to SHOW OFF your hard work and dedication, so...I think they should make it so that rank emoticon won't show in the group forming area. This way you can show off your experience all you want during fight

.

I don't see why people would disagree with this...unless if they are the elite ****s that plagues the HA today. Supposedly rank should not be a number that gives advantage to certain people (in that they get group in a fraction of what it takes new players to get into group).

/signed to this

dreamhunk · Mar 13, 2006, 04:54 AM // 04:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

Ya, this "I don't have it, so you don't" and "I have this, you don't so you suck" duo plagues every Online RPG games. Guild Wars managed to solve this somewhat by having items in pve that only have cosmetic improvement over collecter items and droknar's armor. This is why I really dislike the fissure armor whiners since it makes absolutely no difference.

The thing with rank though is that it makes a great difference, to the point that it extremely frustrates the newer player, and that makes the game no fun. No fun, people leaves. That is a bane to many online RPG, where population starts to dwindle rapidly, then the elite ppl complain that there are so few people to play with (pwn and laugh at) and they quit too.

I would agree with you, fame has really hurt the pvp side of the bad. If anet does not do something it will soon effect gvg.

Rilder · Mar 13, 2006, 05:21 AM // 05:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

No, fame should not be wiped because some people DID work hard without using any of the farming builds to get their rank.

However....

Supposedly you all agree that rank is to SHOW OFF your hard work and dedication, so...I think they should make it so that rank emoticon won't show in the group forming area. This way you can show off your experience all you want during fight

.

I don't see why people would disagree with this...unless if they are the elite ****s that plagues the HA today. Supposedly rank should not be a number that gives advantage to certain people (in that they get group in a fraction of what it takes new players to get into group).

/signed twice, over, and over and over.

and this would keep those "Rank 9 Nerds" (its a saying me and a friend came up so escuse me) from destroying new players abuility to play and if these Rank 9 sobs really want to form a r9 group they could send guest invites to people to come to there guild hall and flash emote then travel back to HA and go in... this modification to fame would help everyone...well except the Ranked sobs.. (no offense

)

the only other idea I have was that at like every 25k faction you gain fame.... or some how incorporate it into PvE so like the amount of xp it takes to get from level 1 -20 or so grants you 1 fame. or the amount of monsters you kill grants you 1 fame but that would encourage farming.... so yea... mabye the amount of bosses you killl.

sorry if i make no sense.

Grimm · Mar 13, 2006, 05:42 AM // 05:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rilder

/signed twice, over, and over and over.

and this would keep those "Rank 9 Nerds" (its a saying me and a friend came up so escuse me) from destroying new players abuility to play and if these Rank 9 sobs really want to form a r9 group they could send guest invites to people to come to there guild hall and flash emote then travel back to HA and go in... this modification to fame would help everyone...well except the Ranked sobs.. (no offense

)

the only other idea I have was that at like every 25k faction you gain fame.... or some how incorporate it into PvE so like the amount of xp it takes to get from level 1 -20 or so grants you 1 fame. or the amount of monsters you kill grants you 1 fame but that would encourage farming.... so yea... mabye the amount of bosses you killl.

sorry if i make no sense.

Getting fame through other PvP sources makes sense, but not from PvE. PvE players have their fissure armor to show off. There is no reason to get it from PvE.

TheMosesPHD · Mar 13, 2006, 06:32 AM // 06:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

No, fame should not be wiped because some people DID work hard without using any of the farming builds to get their rank.

However....

Supposedly you all agree that rank is to SHOW OFF your hard work and dedication, so...I think they should make it so that rank emoticon won't show in the group forming area. This way you can show off your experience all you want during fight

.

I don't see why people would disagree with this...unless if they are the elite ****s that plagues the HA today. Supposedly rank should not be a number that gives advantage to certain people (in that they get group in a fraction of what it takes new players to get into group).

Your emote isn't there to just show off, it's to prove you're worthy of playing with a group of people you don't know that are at the same level as you are. The emotes are cool things to show off, but what else do ppl do with em? they ask you to emote before they let you in the group to make sure you have as much experience as you say you do. If you couldn't show your emote in towns then ppl would lie their bums off and no one would know until you've already entered tombs. Then what would we be left to do? The only way to find a group would be to play with ppl you know and have played with before. Problem here is, all your friends aren't always on at the same time as you are, and they're not always wanting to do the same thing as you. I don't PvP all the time and neither do a lot of ppl I know, sometimes they're PvEing. This would create an extreme inconvenience and there would be 10 times as many people complaining about not having the emotes as there are ppl complaining about having the emotes. You don't have high rank? sorry...you'll just have to win more games. Everyone had to start out in terrible groups and work their way up, why should we let new ppl slide and not have to do what every single one of us had to do to earn our standing? If you're rank 2 or w/e but think you play better than your rank, if you really are better then you'll be noticed by teammates, and people will invite you to join them again later. Getting noticed is almost the only way to rise above your standing. Either you get noticed by playing above the level of those around you, or get noticed by earning an emote after playing countless terrible matches and getting some wins. Other than this you can also try and arrange stuff with your guild, which usually runs smoother than random ppl. Oh, and the comment about sending guest invites to ppls guilds...So you're saying we should have ppl paying 100g each time they just wanna check on someone's rank? that's insane. You guys are coming up with all these excuses and alternatives but don't see that your alternatives would cause even more chaos and/or inconvenience. If you spent less time trying to petition getting rid of emotes and more time playing, maybe you'd have an emote for yourself :/

"/sign" this post. I dare you :O

Phoenix Ex · Mar 13, 2006, 06:53 AM // 06:53

What inconvenience? If I recall, all updates applies to all players, no exception. So what if you can't check rank? All it would mean is that every PUG would be more balanced, with the same chance of getting a noob, and the same chance of getting a good player. This encourage less fame farming and cookie cutter build. It would give all the new players a chance to get more involved in PVP and build their own social network from good players they meet, and all the "not so good" players a chance to learn instead of playing first round over and over.

Seriously to all you high rankers...do you LIKE iway? Are you one of the people who complain the hall is boring cuz of it?

The reason is because of the elite people who says "go win more, noob" without thinking that they can't even get into a normal group without LFG for an hr. Fine, they will go "win more" by taking the most easy to make boring build and farm all day.

I am currently Rank 5, but I have been through all the tedious grinding 1 fame at a time, without iway. Shouldn't a game continuously evolve to be better? Grinding passed on and on to newer players is not a good thing for a game.

NevynZeddicus · Mar 13, 2006, 07:27 AM // 07:27

I personally see nothing wrong with having fame, emotes, etc. I have no rank, and I hate having to wait forever to get into a group. But I would regret seeing fame done away with.

To those who say that fame should be awarded for other things that HA, I think you are wrong. The style of play doesn't match up well enough. So you got 50,000 Faction by winning in RA, big deal. How many matches did it take you before you hit on a good build? Can you work cohesively with 7 other people? Can you strategize? Success in PvE or RA doesn't necessarily equate to success in HA in my opinion.

I was just as pissed to see people farming fame with IWAY as others, but I realized that it would pass and the ones with artificially inflated numbers would be revealed. You don't like how certain things are? You have two options: Work on it like the rest of us, or don't participate. Flame on.

Phoenix Ex · Mar 13, 2006, 07:47 AM // 07:47

And that is why only the emoticon should be removed, then there will be no reason to farm fame. Then it'll be easier for everyone to find a group to play with, and that leads to more variety of builds and strategy. Which means a more active and less boring environment, and more people to play with.

Aurora Blackdawn · Mar 13, 2006, 07:55 AM // 07:55

I think fame's a good thing for people who want to play in elite groups, but there should deffinitely be some other way to gain it. Maybe fame from TA or RA even. All they have to do is offer it in smaller amounts from those places the same way they do with faction.

Fantus · Mar 13, 2006, 07:59 AM // 07:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

What inconvenience? If I recall, all updates applies to all players, no exception. So what if you can't check rank? All it would mean is that every PUG would be more balanced, with the same chance of getting a noob, and the same chance of getting a good player.

You're probably dreaming of a perfect world, too...

If you're Rank 5 you should be experienced enough in HA to guess what would happen in this case: People would STOP playing with unknown people because there would be no way to know for them if they are up to their standards. Instead they only would play with people from their guild or friends list anymore. Forming groups will become HARDER, not easier. Do you really think a Rank 12 would form a "pick 8 and go" group with some people without making sure that the people will sufficiently perform? Come on...

I have said this on countless of other threads on this topic: The main problem is NOT the rank system, it's the lack of an in game group assembling system.

TheMosesPHD · Mar 13, 2006, 08:08 AM // 08:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by nohooiam

I have a better idea

Wipe fame for all those below r9.

For crying out loud, how about wiping all PvE characters and items since people took advantage of farming areas before they were nerfed?

Thank god, this is the comparison I've been looking for to explain while wiping fame would be so silly. Thankee. I shall save a copy of your quote so I can use it over and over :P Hopefully after Factions comes out all these "zomg wipe all fame" posts will stop. But of course they won't